I have absolutely no idea why you are pursuing these things and why you are taking things completely out of context.Heres his dev saying "I used almost all of the filter types in JUCE"Who told you this? Do you use JUCE?The DSP module was only added to JUCE recently, it’s a bit like using Synthedit.
I guess a better question would be: if I gave you $500, would you make P450/P455 for me?
https://forum.juce.com/t/highpass-filte ... cies/54987
Heres an an example where hes using the code for one of them
https://forum.juce.com/t/juce-filters-i ... knob/46869
I raised this with P900 on GS last year, to not even acknowledge its there beats the hell out of me.
Are you now going to start questioning all the chefs on this planet who use common spices in their foods? Heck, that's not even a good example as spices aren't integral to making food, whereas filters are at the very core of any kind of audio/electric engineering.
Your argument makes absolutely no sense. Basic filter topologies are the backbone of any audio processing, be it in DSP or not. A Butterworth filter is a Butterworth filter, analog or digital. A Bessel filter is a Bessel filter, analog or digital. If you keep going down your completely absurd path of reasoning, you'll end up in the 19th century where some of the OG geniuses came up with the math that lies behind all of this. So what if somebody copy/pastes a very basic building block that has been used forever by literally everybody else? Somebody somewhere invented the use of pepper as a spice in foods! Who cares!? The only thing that matters is the end result.
Even you should be able to run P455 through Plugin Doctor and see that it's a rather complex beast under the surface. There's stuff actually happening in it, stuff you can CLEARLY HEAR if you'd just bother. Whether you like it or not is entirely subjective but you can't deny the objective things. There is no snake-oil to be found here. It does what it advertises. It EQs, it filters, it compresses, it creates harmonic distortion (very complex distortion at that!), it creates some stereo separation using all manner of strange methods.. so it really does what it advertises.
So WTF are you getting at? Are you desperately trying to run a smear campaign against P900? Your efforts are as futile as the efforts of people trying to ridicule developers who use Synth Edit to create awesome little gems, even when they use CK libraries or heck even the stock modules. Same goes for Reaktor stuff, using the built in macros or old high level components instead of the more complex low-level blocks. Nobody sane gives a shit. If a synth is good and it works without issues, it's good!.
.. as @pekbro said more than a week ago in this thread, and I quote:
.. could very well be true (probably is!). Nobody cares! The immediately obvious results with even a little testing will show that this is a tool where the sum of the parts makes the whole. And I'll say this once more to be clear: Whether you like it or not is irrelevant, that's the subjective part. The objectively measurable part is undeniable.I don't think they actually model anything or use convolution, seems to me like he just does whatever he wants to get the sound he's after, regardless of the technical accuracy. I've only paid a little attention but I've never seen mention of whether there is actual circuit, component modeling or something else going on. Only speculation omp of course.
The only reason why 'component modeling' has become a synonym for "it's good" is because it usually IS GOOD! That's the relevant part. Especially when somebody like Andrew from Cytomic does it because he goes into every single little damn detail and he does it so incredibly brilliantly! But the absolute end all reason why people care is because the end results SOUND GOOD. Period.
We are soon approaching the time when somebody can just tell an AI "Make me a VST plugin that exactly matches <insert any super good hardware effect or synth here> in all circumstances" and it spits out a perfect carbon copy in digital format. Nobody will care! If it sounds good, THAT is what everybody will be using. Morally this will become a huge issue of course but just like pretty much every damn piece of electronics you own are in part made by slave labor, nobody cares. The end results are what dictate the path going forward. When it all comes crashing down and most of us are dead and buried, perhaps a new path will be forged.. but again, this happens due to the end results! Not because of how it was done.
/rant (sorry about that).
Statistics: Posted by bmanic — Thu Mar 07, 2024 6:50 pm